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Ludere => Ludi => Topic aperto da: Monopoli - Dicembre 04, 2011, 01:03:33
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Ok, e' uscito su GOG e me lo sono comprato. Quando usci' ai tempi vedevo gli screen e leggevo le recensioni e ci sbavavo sopra come un porco, ma avevo un 286.
Ora l'ho preso su GOG, ma non capisco come si gioca.
Cioe': non capisco proprio come funziona l'interfaccia, quali tasti bisogna usare e come si usa il mouse :D Il manuale e' del tutto inutile in tal senso.
Qualcuno mi puo' aiutare?
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La scelta di giocare a Ultima 7 mentre il resto del mondo si fa le pippe con Skyrim denota puro reazionismo videoludico :asd:
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Ultima 7 è il miglior gioco di SEMPRE. Trova assolutamente il cheat che ti permette di entrare in modalità dev, puoi riarrangiare totalmente la mappa di gioco e modificare le routine degli NPC.
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A me hanno consigliato di non usare dosbox ma un sistema simile però fatto apposta per ultima 7.
Sono tentato pure io di prenderlo ma sinceramente mi spaventa l'aura di "super" che ha
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Si, c'è una sorta di interprete moderno chiama exult, ma ancora non è identico al gioco originale :)
Qualcuno quindi mi sa dire come si gioca? :)
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Exult va benissimo, lo si può usare anche sulla versione di GoG! Comunque quoto Vaz è uno dei migliori giochi di SEMPRE! Pensavo di prenderlo e di mettermici sotto dopo Skyrim per fare da contro altare. Sinceramente non ricordo molto bene l'interfaccia ma non mi sembrava così ostica, cos'è che non riesci a fare Monopoli?
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Bastava cercare su GameFAQs...
Questa guida è per U7 + SI ma tanto è lo stesso, tranne qualche piccolo tweak (ti consiglio di prendere anche l'espansione se non era inclusa su GOG).
How to Play the Game:
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Serpent Isle's gameplay engine is based completely on the Ultima 7 engine,
therefore if you know how to play that game, you mostly know this one. To
walk, move the arrow in the direction that you wish to travel, and hold down
the right mouse button. (or double right click your destination) To use
something, or to open your inventory, double click the object. To open your
companions inventory open yours, then open theirs. If you just double click
them you will talk to them instead. You can also use items like food by
double clicking. To pick things up, left click and hold, and drag the item
to where you want to put it. Simple! One new thing in Serpent Isle is the
expanded Hot Keys (keyboard) that you can use (see appendix "F. Keyboard
Commands), and these really make the game easier.
Battles:
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First and foremost you're gonna need to survive all those battles that you
will find yourself in.
Step One in this is preparation. Enter battles with plenty of party members,
who are well equipped. Leather Armor is not well equipped. Even Chain Armor
is not that good. Try to get all Plate, and Magic when you find it. Also
don't give everyone the same type of weapon, as this will crowd them in one
area, and they may hit each other. Give one person a sword, another a two-
handed weapon, another a whip, then a crossbow, and maybe another throwing
weapon like a Magic Axe.
Step Two, you have to recognize which battles to get into. A level three
Avatar is not going to win against a Dragon all by himself (barring using
another strategy that we will discuss later). In the beginning of the game,
limit your battles to simple things like Headless, Bandits and maybe a Reaper.
Then you can move on to harder battles like Cyclops, Dragons, etc.
Ok now you are in a battle, but things aren't going well at all, your party
is disorganized, Iolo keeps shooting your own people, and Shamino just ran
off in terror. As long as you know where everyone is, keep fighting. Stop
Shamino right away since anyone who runs away will drop their items in an
attempt to lighten their load (maybe to run faster), and quite obviously we
don't want that to happen. Use potions and bandages (while in the paused
Inventory mode) on anyone who needs it. And lastly make sure that the Avatar
is actually attacking and not just standing around, since he doesn't actually
finish enemies off, just gets them to the point where they run off or
collapse.
If you want to cast spells in a battle, there are 2 ways. One is to cast the
spell directly. The other way is to equip the Spellbook in your attacking
hand and place the marker on the spell you want to cast, then enter combat
mode, and attack. You will then cast your spell as the attack.
Now for that strategy that I mentioned earlier. When confronted by a
superior foe, and you know that under normal circumstances that you have no
chance to win. Merely feed the Dragon (or whatever) a Blue Potion to put him
to sleep. Hit him, and do it again. Simple. Especially since Blue Potions
cost only 40 guilders and can be used while in Inventory mode (unlike
spells), so you won't ever have to get hit. A couple other things you can do
is to use a Poison Potion and a Blue Potion so that the enemy takes damage in
his sleep.
A few other things to remember: Spells. Remember that you do possess the
magic ability. Some useful spells are, Poison, Curse, Protection, and
Paralyze; and of course the Major Attack spells like Mass Death.
Sorting through the Junk:
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There are a great deal of items in this game, even more than in The Black
Gate. Make sure to have a good system to sort things. What I recommend is
to have both a backpack and a bag (on your belt) on the avatar. Hold all
Plot items in the backpack, and everything else (that you can fit) in the
bag. Since SI introduces several new items, the keyring eliminates the need
for keys, the Everlasting Goblet eliminates the need for food, etc., you
don't need to sort through keys and food for all that long. (you get the
keyring in the Silver Seed, and the Goblet in Furnace) Also keep in mind
that Serpent Isle has far more "Plot Items" than did The Black Gate, so don't
discard any item that sounds even vaguely important.
Money:
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The best way to get money in Serpent Isle is the spell False Coin, which
multiplies a stack of money by 6 (so if you start with 100 you end out with
600) and once you get this spell you don't need to worry about money again.
Other ways to get money (if you don't have a spellbook) is to exchange gems,
jewels and other valuables with the various moneychangers (Devra, Spektor,
Zulith, and Bucia; also Topo will buy gems, see Appendix "C. Money
Conversions".
Also if you ever find a dead pikeman (or kill one yourself), you can bring
the corpse to the Crematorium in Monitor and you will be paid 100 Monetari.
You do, of course, have to activate the machine and turn the body to ashes,
but that isn't too hard.
The Fine Art of Stealing:
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If you are used to stealing in Ultima 7, you'll have to make adjustments in
the Serpent Isle. You can no longer simply open a container to steal
something. Nope that's gone. On the plus side, companions don't care if you
steal or not. So to steal anything you want, just make sure that everyone
(guards and such) are offscreen. This will allow you to steal most
everything. There is one notable exception, the Armory in Monitor. If you
take anything in there, no matter if the guard is offscreen, you will get
attacked by the guards. If you are captured, refer to the "Get out of Jail
Free" section below.
Get out of Jail Free:
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If you happen to have the dumb luck of getting arrested, don't worry you can
get out for completely free! It's a good thing, because those guards
probably won't ever let you out!
Monitor - the switch is on the right side of the room, partially concealed
by a skeleton there, also it kinda blends into the background.
Fawn - Don't know how to get out here, but I'm sure there's a way!
Moonshade - Open the north wall to get out. Whee.
Magic Scrolls:
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Whenever you find a Magic Scroll, try to transcribe it. Sometimes you will
find a spell that otherwise you would have to buy, and other times that
scroll is the ONLY way to get that spell, and if you were to use that scroll,
then it would be gone forever!
Sex in Serpent Isle:
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Ok, so you want a little action, but can't find any gypsies (Ultima 6) or the
Baths (Ultima 7) in which to find dependable--if a little unvirtuous--casual
sex. Well it's even easier to get--and a little more graphic--in Serpent
Isle, in fact, you can't avoid it!
Monitor - male - talk to Lucilla in the pub, and she will ask if you want
to meet up with her later, say yes, and around 3 am go to
her room. Afterwords she will give you a Gwani cloak.
female - talk to Brendann, and he will offer to sleep with you,
go to his house, and sleep with him. The next day you get
a free Gwani cloak. Yay.
Moonshade - either - Frigidazzi wants you. Badly. No matter which sex you
are. This is, of course, only after you have gotten a
spell book and have been introduced to her at the Banquet.
Go to her house alone, and she will show you a few tricks.
male - Columna will do anything to get her stockings back, even
sleep with you... but then she's a liar so don't believe
her!
female - Torrissio will do anything to get Columna's stockings
back, and will even sleep with you to get them. Don't
believe him, either, since he will merely drug you and
steal the stockings.
Food:
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Yes, you need to eat in Serpent Isle. The game represents hunger as a number
0-31, with 31 being completely full and 0 being starving to death. The
person won't start asking for food until the counter reaches 6. Below is a
chart of how much an item of food will increase your "food level":
+31: Green Cheese
25: Everlasting Goblet
24: Mutton, Ribs, Chicken, Ham
16: Beef, Deer Meat
12: Sausage
9 : Big Cheese
8 : Flounder, Potatoes
6 : Jerky, Fish n' Chips
5 : Fruitcake
4 : Bread, Trout, Pumpkin
3 : Cake, Banana, Egg
2 : Apple, Small Cheese, Carrots, Rolls, Garlic
1 : Drinks, Grapes, Leeks
0 : Silverleaf, Bucket of Rum (or wine)
Using the "F" hotkey will feed your party member with whatever food you have
on hand.
The Spell "Create Food" will create 1 piece of food for everyone in the party
and will deposit that food on the ground by their feet. The food that is
created is random, so it's not always something good. Could be grapes.
Tastiera:
a - Turn audio effects on/off
b - Brings up the Spell Book display
c - enters Combat mode
f - feed someone, only if you actually have food
h - changes "handedness" of the mouse
i - inventory, repeated use will open party members inventories
j - brings up the jawbone display
k - use key, if you have the Keyring from the Silver Seed
l - party display
m - Map
p - Pick lock, if you have lockpicks
s - save / load / quit screen
t - targetting cursor, acts as a double click
v - version
w - displays current time, if you have a pocketwatch
z - statistics screen, repeated use will open party members statistics
ALT X - quits game
ALT 8 - turns on/off "frame limiter" (frame limiter slows the game down)
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Ooooooh ecco! Mi chiedo cosa costava mettere una cosa così nel manuale. Ora devo solo capire come si fa a dare le cose alla gente e perchè di sente una voce all'inizio se di muove il tipo infilzato al muro :)
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La scelta di giocare a Ultima 7 mentre il resto del mondo si fa le pippe con Skyrim denota puro reazionismo videoludico :asd:
Reazionario sempreppiù, per quanto mi riguarda u_u Lode a Lord British!
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Ooooooh ecco! Mi chiedo cosa costava mettere una cosa così nel manuale. Ora devo solo capire come si fa a dare le cose alla gente e perchè di sente una voce all'inizio se di muove il tipo infilzato al muro :)
Non le trovi nel manuale ma le trovi nella reference card, che in effetti puoi scaricare da GOG ^^'
Le cose alla gente si danno col drag&drop negli zaini (se compagni) o parlandogliene, la voce è quella del Guardiano che osserva e sfotte le nostre gesta.
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Ooooooh ecco! Mi chiedo cosa costava mettere una cosa così nel manuale. Ora devo solo capire come si fa a dare le cose alla gente e perchè di sente una voce all'inizio se di muove il tipo infilzato al muro :)
Non le trovi nel manuale ma le trovi nella reference card, che in effetti puoi scaricare da GOG ^^'
Le cose alla gente si danno col drag&drop negli zaini (se compagni) o parlandogliene, la voce è quella del Guardiano che osserva e sfotte le nostre gesta.
Sai che all'inizio c'e' un tipo che dice "HO FAME HO FAME HO FAME HO FAME" e volevo dargli del pane ma non riuscivo :D
Non avevo scaricato le reference card :D sono scemo. Vabbe', avevo scaricato il manuale, pensando che fossero li' :D
Ci ho perso mezz'ora su quel corpo: appena lo sposto, mi dice tipo "brutta scelta Avatar" e pensavo fosse qualcosa legato alle virtu' o roba cosi' :)
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Il Guardiano in sostanza ti sfotte quando ti muore un compagno, si incazza quando ti avvicini all'obiettivo, provoca, cose così ^^ In quel caso penso ti sfottesse perché stavi inquinando la scena del crimine.
Comunque non è qualcosa di ludicamente rilevante; serviva a stupire gli utenti di allora col parlato.
Per nutrire le idrovore dei compagni devi fare doppio clic sinistro sulla vivanda, il cursore diventa un mirino e allora clicchi sul compagno. Si fa sempre così per usare qualcosa con qualcos'altro.
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Ok, credo di avere ingranato. Sono passato ad Exult perche' ha delle cosine simpatiche, tipo che se premi "k" se sei vicino a un baule chiuso a chiave, ti sceglie da solo la chiave giusta dall'inventario.
Ha anche un blocco note integrato e si puo' giocare a risoluzione piu' grandi, con lo schermo che fa vedere piu' cose (ma sul sito dice che e' considerato CHEATING! :D) e si puo' usare lo scrolling fluido invece di quello mega scattoso originale.
Pare che le differenze con l'originale siano marginali, tipo a volte gli animali aprono le porte.
Ho girato un po' per il paese e incontrato il figlio del tizio ammazzato. Chiede "posso venire con te?" Io "No" Lui "Vengo lo stesso". Vabbe' gli e' morto il padre, me lo porto in giro un po'.
Ora sto cercando gli altri tizi con cui mi hanno detto di parlare, tra cui uno chiamato GILBERTO :D